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In my decade within the audio industry, I’ve discovered it’s very hard and discouraging, if you let it.

In this episode, I discuss how I first started making money in the audio industry with my online endeavors, and how things have evolved over the years.

If you’re a content creator, tutorialist, or want to somehow generate revenue online through music, tune in and gain a lot of wisdom through my experience.

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S1E24 – Making a Career Out of Music Online

  1. Hey, this is Gratuitous. Welcome to Music Production Made Simple, the show that
  2. focuses on best practices about music production, which is based on FL Studio.
  3. If you're wanting to become the best producer you can be, subscribe and listen
  4. weekly. You can also check out my courses, which teach you the principles and basics
  5. of music production that'll get you up and running quickly.
  6. In addition, I also have books on Amazon and tons of music on Spotify.
  7. Always feel free to hit me up at Hi at it'sgratuitous.com.
  8. So let's get into the episode.
  9. Alright, hey, what's everybody?
  10. Welcome to episode number 24. In this episode, we're gonna be talking about making a
  11. career out of your music online.
  12. Whether, you know, however you want to approach that, whether that is selling beats,
  13. whether it is selling your own music, or like my approach, I have taken the approach
  14. of teaching and you know, selling courses and stuff like that.
  15. Before we get into the episode, I just want to share that I have finished my course
  16. on how to use an audio interface as a beatmaker.
  17. It will be released here very shortly.
  18. I just finished editing it up.
  19. I just have to watch it through, make sure there's no mistakes, and then I'll be
  20. uploading it to the various websites where I sell these courses.
  21. Okay, so let's get into the episode.
  22. So making a career out of music online.
  23. Now, this takes a lot of patience, okay?
  24. You have to you have to have thick skin, you have to believe in yourself, and you
  25. also have to figure out what avenue you'd like to take.
  26. Okay. Throughout my career, I tried many different industries to you know, because
  27. within the music industry, there's many different again avenues you can take,
  28. whether that is sound design, whether it is your own music.
  29. For example, like you know, let's say you're an artist, you record your own songs,
  30. and you're trying to sell those, you know, like try to get on the radio through
  31. royalties, you know. So that's one avenue, or there's the avenue of selling your
  32. beats, right? That's another avenue.
  33. in addition, you know, the route I more have taken in later years is selling these
  34. courses. But throughout my career, I've tried many of these different avenues.
  35. and it all kind of has to line up with who you are as a person, you know, like your
  36. morals and what you believe in, and and you know, what you kind of feel motivated
  37. behind, as well as what's working for you, okay?
  38. Because some things you're gonna try and they're just not gonna work for you.
  39. No matter how hard you try, you know, it's just gonna be an uphill battle no matter
  40. what. And then eventually you're gonna kind of find something that is starting to
  41. kind of work for you. And you know, that is the avenue that you want to pursue a
  42. little bit more, even if it is something that maybe you don't fully like, as long as
  43. it's starting to work for you, because maybe eventually you can kind of start
  44. incorporating the things that you do like around what is working, okay.
  45. So, you know, again, you have to figure out what works for you.
  46. And once you do, you kind of start building, and it's like the snowball effect.
  47. You know, you just keep rolling with it, eventually it starts to grow and it starts
  48. to work for you. Now, I just want to talk quickly about YouTube.
  49. So, in my early years, I started up the website beatstruggles.com.
  50. I created about 150 tutorials.
  51. and you know, it did okay, but it didn't benefit me for as much time as I
  52. was putting into it. Now, through that process, I learned a lot.
  53. Okay, I learned about a website, I learned how to start up a website, I learned how
  54. to code with like PHP and like a database, and you know, so that's a totally
  55. different industry. even like graphic design, I learned a little bit, you know,
  56. Photoshop. But those are crucial skills to learn so that you can have
  57. you know, the knowledge to do these things without hiring people.
  58. For example, you know, how to set up like a simple WordPress website and how to
  59. design the pages, and you know, if you want to set up like a newsletter, so you so
  60. you can contact you know, your fans or your customers or whatever, right?
  61. but so YouTube. it did okay for me in a sense that it kind of established
  62. like a little brand for myself
  63. but again, I was putting in so much time and I was not reaping the rewards, and many
  64. you know, I guess like the problem of that was because I didn't have the knowledge
  65. back then, you know. I was just you know, I I wanted to somehow make a career in the
  66. music industry, so I started up this website, I started to do tutorials, I started
  67. to write articles. I did you know, I didn't know anything about like affiliate
  68. marketing back then, so I missed out on a huge opportunity, you know, because I did
  69. quite a few reviews, so I could have made you know some money through that, which I
  70. missed out on. so again, you know, I just spent all this time trying
  71. to, you know, start up this website.
  72. I did that for about five, six, seven years.
  73. Again, about 150 tutorials. And over time, you know, without without reaping
  74. the benefit of money, I eventually just started to get burnt out, you know, in a
  75. sense that I was putting so much time in, I was benefiting people, you know, people
  76. were commenting, they were saying I like it.
  77. And if you look at a lot of my tutorials and stuff on beach struggles, like there is
  78. so many likes to the amount of dislikes, and you know, I take pride in that, and I
  79. really appreciate the people, you know, giving all those likes because it just shows
  80. me that you know, these tutorials are to the point, you know, for the most part, you
  81. know, looking back, there are some tutorials where it's like you know, I'm rambling
  82. on, but a lot of the tutorials, you know, people were just saying they're great,
  83. okay. So that lets me know that these people are liking my videos, my courses, you
  84. know, tutorials, etc., but I was benefiting them, but they weren't benefiting me.
  85. Okay. Now it might sound selfish, but it's important to think this way because it's
  86. a business, right? You want to. be making it worth your time
  87. And if you're not reaping the benefits of finite, you know, financially, then you're
  88. gonna get burnt out eventually.
  89. So this is why I've kind of fallen away from YouTube.
  90. even though you know, yes, that following and that subscriber base is important to
  91. an extent, in my experience, YouTube is
  92. one avenue. Whereas I just took more of creating the course approach, you know.
  93. So I just kind of figure, you know, if I create a course and it can bring me in,
  94. let's say, you know, I always be generous in the number.
  95. Like, let's say it can bring me in ten dollars a month, okay.
  96. And right now I have like 20 courses, so that's bringing me in that's bringing me
  97. in, you know, however much money a month, right?
  98. Whereas YouTube, if you create a video, and that video might take you, you know, I
  99. don't know how much time it, you know, it could take you an hour, it could take you
  100. three hours, it could take you five hours, or it could take you 20 minutes to create
  101. a video. But when you release that video and you're only bringing in like one or two
  102. dollars like a month, if that off of these videos, I just figured that was like
  103. okay, I would rather create a course which takes me a little bit longer to create,
  104. but it's bringing me in a guaranteed like ten dollars a month-ish, you know.
  105. And again, I'm being generous because some courses perform a lot better than other
  106. courses. For example, my piano course, my learn piano for beat makers and producers,
  107. is you know, it performs very well every single month, and it constantly gets
  108. awesome reviews. But I be generous in that number, just to kind of give me a
  109. reference point to compare against YouTube, okay?
  110. Because you know, you see these people with like 500,000 subscribers, you know.
  111. You know, I'm talking more about like the music industry with tutorialists and stuff
  112. like that. You know, I just always think back to how much. effort it takes to make
  113. it onto YouTube, and the financial rewards aren't as good
  114. Okay, you're always gonna make more money by creating your own products and stuff
  115. like that. So that's one of the reasons why I started to fall away from YouTube is
  116. because you know, one of my you know, my passion is teaching as well as I have a
  117. passion to create music too. but I I just kind of realized I was you know, I
  118. wouldn't be able to continue this if I kept doing the YouTube approach.
  119. I was just putting way too much time in, you know, it was taking away from like my
  120. own life, and I wasn't reaping the financial benefits, you know.
  121. as soon as I started to create these courses, you know, I think I think like the
  122. very very first month I made like $17 or something like that, and I was like, okay,
  123. but again, that $17 was more than like, let's say 30 YouTube videos, which you know
  124. aren't getting thousands and thousands of views, you know.
  125. So right away I could, you know, I could see the ratio.
  126. It was like, okay, creating that one course was bringing me in way more money than
  127. the amount of time and videos I needed on YouTube.
  128. So here's a few points I wrote about why YouTube has fallen off for me.
  129. So the music industry is very, very hard.
  130. Okay, just in my experience over these years of doing this online for about you know
  131. seven to ten years-ish around there.
  132. I've just found the music industry is very, very hard.
  133. I find it's very, very hard to sell stuff to people.
  134. because the thing is the music industry is a hobby for most people, okay.
  135. Yes, they like to do it, but they have to justify that you know, that purchase.
  136. Whereas, you know, other industries might be a necessity for some people.
  137. So, you know, the thing is they might be buying a product no matter what, it's just
  138. a matter of making them you know. select your product over another person's or
  139. another company's product Whereas the music industry, since it's a hobby for most
  140. people, it's like you know, it's kind of even should I buy it worth or versus like
  141. should I save the money? again, so money is more important than the following.
  142. Now, again, this might seem selfish and stuff like that, but again, you are the
  143. creator in a sense of you're creating the tutorial, you're creating the content.
  144. And if these people like your content, you have to justify is the time you're
  145. putting into that worth it? Okay, are you putting in tons of time, but you're only
  146. bringing in like two dollars a video a month?
  147. Whereas a course could be making you way more money, right?
  148. I also realized over the years that most YouTube watchers they want things for free.
  149. Okay, you know, they these people will take, take, take from you, and they will not
  150. give back. And that's why it's important to kind of draw that line and realize what
  151. is working for you and what isn't, and the things that are working for you, those
  152. are the things you want to pursue so that you can continue to grow and flourish
  153. rather than get burnt out. Okay.
  154. Now, this isn't to say I don't use YouTube anymore.
  155. You know, I still post the odd video on there as well as like promote promote like
  156. my new courses and stuff on there, but I've just kind of pulled back from YouTube
  157. because again, it you know, as much time as I was putting in, it wasn't benefiting
  158. me. It was benefiting other people, but not me.
  159. And again, it sounds selfish, but as a business, you need to focus on the areas
  160. which are gonna help you grow financially.
  161. you know, even just as a person, right?
  162. You you have to grow, otherwise you're being held back, okay.
  163. Just wanted to shift a little bit into a different topic.
  164. It's still to do with money, but more about how to handle your business.
  165. Okay. So again, I've been doing this online for about 10 years now..
  166. again, with beat struggles So when I first started Beat Struggles, I had no business
  167. plan at all in a sense of how to make money.
  168. So, you know, I was created this website, I was educating people, and you know, I
  169. was I was on fire in a sense of having the passion to teach people about all the
  170. audio gear, all the questions I had when I started up.
  171. but again, you know, I missed out on the opportunity to, you know, with affiliate
  172. marketing through like Amazon.
  173. okay. So because of that, you know, I did that for however many years of all these
  174. tutorials and stuff like that.
  175. You know, with YouTube, they they had ad sense, all the ads you can have on your you
  176. know on your YouTube videos. So I was making some money through there, and I was
  177. like, oh, awesome. I was like, if I could just keep creating all these videos, I can
  178. start making more money. But again, some videos were performing better than others,
  179. and on average, you know, it was only bringing me in like maybe maybe gas in my
  180. car for like the month or something like that.
  181. And realistically, like for the amount of time and effort I was putting in, it
  182. wasn't worth it. So that was the very, very early stages of me online with beat
  183. struggles. And then I started to kind of meet some other people within the industry,
  184. you know, sound designers, other companies, and stuff, and I started to create what
  185. was called like the sound pack flyer.
  186. This is before the actual official website, and I started to just sell sound kits.
  187. So we just had like a 50-50 kind of deal where I took their sound kit.
  188. we actually, you know, put it on discount.
  189. It was only for like a limited time, you could purchase it, and then, you know, I
  190. was starting to kind of make some money there.
  191. Not a huge amount of money, but a significantly more amount of money than my other
  192. avenues. And I was like, okay, well, this is cool.
  193. So I started to release a couple different volumes of the. Sound Pack flyer
  194. The whole idea was kind of like, you know, a grocery store, they send you a flyer
  195. out every week sharing, you know, what's on sale.
  196. And I kind of took that same approach for sound kits.
  197. my favorite sound kits from different vendors.
  198. it started to kind of grow a little bit that way.
  199. And then eventually I was like, well, let's create a website for this.
  200. So it was actually called soundpackflyer.com.
  201. And I started to sell sound kits for like Sounds NHD, exclusive audio, Annodomini
  202. Beats, Beat Butcher was on there.
  203. so we had, you know, I had a whole bunch of different sound kits I was selling.
  204. we I even had like Booney Mayfield Mayfield on there too.
  205. But again, you know, it started to grow, and then it again, the amount of money I
  206. was making versus the time of you know, doing payouts and everything like that.
  207. I was just kind of like, I feel that I could put my time somewhere
  208. better. So, you know, it was cool.
  209. I was making a little bit more money than I was in other areas, and then I started
  210. to create courses. Okay. I started to sell them on my own website.
  211. But the thing was I wasn't, you know, I had some traffic, but you know, maybe maybe
  212. it was like 250, 300 people a day visiting my website.
  213. And just because you have those 300 people doesn't mean that they're actually visit
  214. visiting your courses, okay. You know, since I wrote articles and about reviews and
  215. stuff, they could be visiting that stuff.
  216. So I was making, you know, some money through these courses, but again, my passion
  217. was teaching. You know, I like to create courses and and educate and I like best
  218. practices and stuff like that.
  219. Then I started to venture out into other websites that you can sell your courses on,
  220. such as like Udemy and stuff like that.
  221. Okay. There is where I started to see a little bit more increase in revenue.
  222. the re Andason for that is because you know, a site like Udemy is such a big
  223. website, they have so much traffic, they have people coming in and searching, you
  224. know, how to use FL Studio, right?
  225. And your video has way more potential to show up to these potential customers.
  226. Now, yes, you're not making as much money, but you are getting in the eyes of more
  227. people. And that was just kind of my progress of how I've started up online.
  228. again, nowadays it's a lot easier to understand this, you know, all this stuff.
  229. YouTube has exploded. Like when I first started, YouTube, you know, it was still
  230. pretty big, but it wasn't to the point of you know, vlogging.
  231. Like vlogging wasn't really a thing when I first started, it was more about maybe
  232. when I was halfway in, it started to become way more popular.
  233. just to give you a reference point, okay.
  234. So, with that said, this has taken me about 10, 11 years to
  235. achieve where I'm at. And by no means am I living off of this, but it is paying for
  236. a lot of stuff, like it's paying for my equipment, it's paying for even bills or you
  237. know, things I have there. it's really really awesome because it's just this passive
  238. income coming in every month. but I've worked very, very hard for it.
  239. You know, I'm up to like 20 courses now.
  240. I think at the beginning of this year, I don't know the exact number, but I think I
  241. was like at seven to ten courses, and now I'm at 20 courses.
  242. So in this year alone, I've created about 10 courses, which is awesome.
  243. And again, I just kind of give it like that reference of like you know, 10 to 20
  244. dollars per course per month. That's kind of just like my ballpark.
  245. But again, some courses do much better than others, and I just kind of give that as
  246. a general number, and then I just kind of think in the long run, it's like, well,
  247. how many courses do I need to create to actually do this full time?
  248. Again, when you're selling on multiple websites, you know, these numbers can all be
  249. different, but it's just a reference point, okay.
  250. So I just want to talk about managing your monies online.
  251. Okay. Now, disclaimer, I am not an accountant, don't listen to me.
  252. Get professional qualified advice.
  253. But this is what I've done over the years, and I feel it works for me.
  254. So when you have money coming in, you know, now you're actually a business, okay?
  255. And again, this is Canada where I live, so the rules may be different where you are,
  256. but when you're bringing income in, you're you know, you're pretty much considered
  257. like a business in the government's eyes.
  258. So you have to claim that income, and if you have any expenses and stuff like that,
  259. okay. So again, when you are you're considering yourself a business, you do have the
  260. benefit of write-offs and expenses.
  261. So when you do claim income, you want to make sure that you're also claiming
  262. expenses, such as you know, if you have a home and you have an area in your room,
  263. you know, that is an office expense, or even if you are renting somewhere and you
  264. actually claim one area for your business purposes, again, that is an expense, and
  265. you can take a percentage of you know whatever whatever square foot square footage
  266. of that area. Again, you just have to just read into it and you know, just get
  267. professional advice. Make sure you're doing it the proper way because as it starts
  268. to grow, you know, you're you've done it right the whole way.
  269. Now, for people in the states, they have what's called like an LLC, it allows them
  270. to incorporate at a very, very low cost.
  271. It's really, really awesome. I wish we had that in Canada, but we don't.
  272. in order to incorporate, you know, to create a corporation in Canada, it is more
  273. expensive, and the yearly fee to get your taxes done is significantly more..
  274. so at the moment, I'm just a sole proprietorship
  275. and the benefit of that is even the money I make from a real job, I'm able to write
  276. off like you know, I'm able I'm able to use in my write-offs for my business because
  277. I'm a sole proprietorship. So any income I receive, it can be from like my personal,
  278. which is called like a T4 here in Canada.
  279. So T4 is a tax slip that you receive at the end of the year to do your taxes from
  280. your employer. So that's really awesome because let's say I made a hundred dollars
  281. online, but then I bought let's say a sound pack for fifty dollars, okay.
  282. Now I have to claim a hundred dollars, but then I also claim that I also had the
  283. expense of fifty dollars, which means that I only pay tax on fifty dollars.
  284. Whereas an individual who is not you know, acting as a business, they
  285. would actually have to pay tax on that hundred dollars.
  286. Okay. So that's just where the benefit comes in, is when it comes down to taxes,
  287. you're able to use what you have purchased to further your business
  288. to not pay as much in tax. Okay.
  289. So just to give you an idea, like for myself, like you know, I recently purchased a
  290. new camera for my business. Okay, it was like $1,300.
  291. It's an expensive camera, but it's so nice.
  292. Like if you guys check out my new courses, you'll see how crisp I look.
  293. Like I really, really like it.
  294. The camera is a Sony A6400, it's a great camera.
  295. just make sure you know you you get a nice lens on there, it will even push that
  296. camera even further. but again, like you know, if you're purchasing like a MIDI
  297. keyboard or speakers and stuff like that, you could be writing this stuff off.
  298. But again, you have to have a track record of that you are a business that you are
  299. trying to make money that you are, you know, whether that whether that is selling
  300. your beats, creating music to sell like on the radio, or you know, in my case, you
  301. know, I'm selling courses, so it's really easy for you know, people to look and see,
  302. oh yeah, well, he has a business.
  303. okay. So now how I manage these monies is there's a program called
  304. QuickBooks. I personally tried it in my early years, and I was just like, Do you
  305. know what this is more complex than what I really need it for?
  306. So I ended up just doing a spreadsheet.
  307. Okay. Now, one thing to talk about is some some items you actually can't write off a
  308. hundred percent in that year. It's what's called depreciation.
  309. that's what it's called here in Canada, anyways.
  310. And what happens is you actually have to write off certain items over time.
  311. But I've just found the most simple way to approach this is just to do it by month.
  312. Okay. So I actually create a spreadsheet to track my income and expenses.
  313. Okay. So one spreadsheet and I create two columns.
  314. One column is for income, and I literally just write the item, I write the amount.
  315. It just gets tallied at the bottom, and then I have expenses.
  316. Again, I write the item, I write the amount I paid for it.
  317. And then at the bottom, I just tally it up.
  318. So again, do I go plus or minus for that month?
  319. I do that for monthly, yearly, as well as overall.
  320. Now, I warn you, this stuff can be very, very dry in a sense of you know, it's
  321. really, really boring. But if you do this once a month, okay, so once a month, just
  322. go and track your you know, wherever you're making money.
  323. So through PayPal, check your bank account, all this different stuff in a sense of
  324. track your income and. track your expenses for each month
  325. You'll be so organized, and then it's just a matter of either printing off each
  326. month or just putting it into a PDF format and then emailing it to whoever your tax
  327. person is, and then they can do the you know the depreciation stuff accordingly, and
  328. you know, you're good to go. It's super super easy.
  329. Again, just to give you a reference point of what you can kind of write off again,
  330. like this camera, there's like a capture card to get these DSLR cameras you know,
  331. into your computer. So that you know, there's that.
  332. You know, I purchased a new computer specifically for these courses and for my own
  333. music production. So, you know, I wrote that off.
  334. microphones, your your equipment, you know, as you start to grow, it's like these
  335. are the things that you need to make your business run better and run smoother.
  336. And it's like that's what business is, and that's what they allow you to do.
  337. It's business, you're allowed to write off.
  338. But my biggest thing I want to suggest to you is just don't cheat on it, okay.
  339. Just be truthful, write down your income, write down your expenses, and as you start
  340. to grow, you'll learn that there are ways of how you can save money through your you
  341. know, how you do this, like the actual process.
  342. And as you start to grow, you can talk to you know, professional advisors, they can
  343. guide you through it. Again, don't cheat the system, but use what they've given you,
  344. and it's actually amazing that you know how you can grow, okay.
  345. so again, that's pretty much all I want wanted to talk about in this episode was
  346. first of all, you know, figure out how do you want to go about in this music
  347. industry. There's many different avenues, but you have to find out what interests
  348. you, and you have to try other areas too.,
  349. like Like you know, like. something will work for you more than something else
  350. And the one that is working more for you, that's the one you want to try and pursue
  351. a little bit more because it's gonna be more worth your time.
  352. Again, you have to value your time versus how much money you're making.
  353. And it's important because if you're not making money, you are gonna get burnt out
  354. for the amount of time you're putting in, or you're not gonna put in as much effort
  355. as you could because when you're getting paid accordingly to your efforts, you're
  356. able to put more effort and more quality behind that product because again,
  357. since you're getting paid, it's subsidizing that time and that effort, okay?
  358. You're being rewarded, which is awesome.
  359. It's a great feeling. When you're not being rewarded, you kind of get bitter, you
  360. get cold, you get tired, you get burnt out, and you don't want to pursue it.
  361. You don't, you know, like your creativity kind of gets dampened, okay.
  362. So, not to say that YouTube is bad, YouTube is an opportunity, but you have to be
  363. careful in how much time you are putting into something versus what it's giving you.
  364. If it's giving you lots, well, that's great.
  365. But I know for the average you know person on YouTube it's not, okay.
  366. So just be careful of your time and your efforts and figure out an avenue that is
  367. working for you and push it a little bit further.
  368. again, just to wrap up on like the monies, so learn about how to actually
  369. track your income and expenses, okay.
  370. Again, if I made a hundred dollars from a mixing client, I claim a hundred dollars,
  371. or if I made a hundred dollars from my courses, I claim a hundred dollars, okay.
  372. And I just make each you know, on the income column, I would just make you know a
  373. new row for each item that I made money.
  374. Okay, so for example, let's say I did some mixing services for 100.
  375. Let's say I made money off my courses for 100.
  376. So I have 200 and I would list each one individually.
  377. Now let's say expenses. Now, let's say I had this camera, let's say it was a
  378. thousand dollars, so now I'm eight hundred dollars in the red.
  379. I've lost eight hundred dollars buying this camera because I made 200, I spent a
  380. thousand, now we're eight hundred dollars minus, right?
  381. So within business, you're actually able to save that loss and actually carry it
  382. over into future years, or sometimes you can you can even actually go back in time
  383. too. Again, that's where I'm saying that once you start to learn how this stuff
  384. works, you can really start being creative in how you approach it.
  385. But it again, if you are truthful and you always write down all your numbers that
  386. you are claiming, then you can take advantage of this stuff.
  387. A lot of people think that, oh, I'm gonna take this money under the table.
  388. And it's like, well, okay, well, if you take that money under the table, in other
  389. words, not pay taxes on it and try and hide it, then you can't take advantage of all
  390. these different vehicles that you've been given to kind of pay less tax or you know,
  391. use it to benefit you. Okay. Now, again, just with your spreadsheets, I recommend
  392. creating one for the month, one for the year, and then one overall, and then you
  393. just add your numbers in accordingly.
  394. And it's it's that simple, okay.
  395. I've just found that that has been the most simple way to track my online business
  396. rather than a program like QuickBooks.
  397. first of all, something like QuickBooks, you have to like pay monthly or whatever.
  398. you have to learn the software, and typically those types of programs are for
  399. companies that have like employees and stuff where they can generate statements and
  400. you know they're very, very advanced programs.
  401. There's even like you know, easier programs.
  402. And if you do want to do an online program, like that's totally up to you.
  403. I've just found that a simple spreadsheet, you know, I just use like open office
  404. or the new one is is a LibreOffice.
  405. It's like Microsoft Word, but it's open source and it's free.
  406. I just use that spreadsheet. So in other words, it's free, it's not taking any of my
  407. money. I just send in these documents when I'm done at the end of the year.
  408. Okay, so I hope the best with your online endeavors, or even if you are online or
  409. not with your business. The biggest thing I can say is it takes a lot of patience.
  410. Okay, you're gonna have a lot of hardships.
  411. But at the end of the day, if you believe in yourself, if you feel that you have a
  412. gift or that you have like a knack in that type of industry that you feel that you
  413. can excel in, you gotta just keep working towards it.
  414. You may not get there today, you may not get there in five years, you may not get
  415. there in ten years. Again, I've been doing this for quite a long time now, and
  416. again, I'm not making enough money to fully financially live off of it, but
  417. especially in these last few years, it's really really grown, and it's a really
  418. really rewarding thing. even looking back and seeing how hard I've worked to get to
  419. where I'm at today, and I'm still not even where I want to be because you know, I
  420. would love to do this full time, and that it pays for itself, you
  421. know. So I hope the best for you guys, and again, just always feel free to reach out
  422. to me with any questions. I'll talk to you guys in the next one.
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